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		<title>Comment on Dion’s Carbon Tax by self regulating economies</title>
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		<dc:creator>self regulating economies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 01:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has previously spoken out against a carbon tax and made assurances that he would not impose a carhttp://jimelve.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/dion%e2%80%99s-carbon-tax/Reconsiderations: &#039;The Great Transformation&#039; by Karl Polanyi The New York SunKarl Polanyi&#039;s &quot;The [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has previously spoken out against a carbon tax and made assurances that he would not impose a carhttp://jimelve.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/dion%e2%80%99s-carbon-tax/Reconsiderations: &#8216;The Great Transformation&#8217; by Karl Polanyi The New York SunKarl Polanyi&#8217;s &#8220;The [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on War Resisters Day of Action Today, June 2nd by Jim Elve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Elve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just watched the vote on CPAC. Passed easily. Now, we need to see what the immigration officials actually do. The Con&#039;s have ignored other majority HoC votes; i.e. Kyoto implementation bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just watched the vote on CPAC. Passed easily. Now, we need to see what the immigration officials actually do. The Con&#8217;s have ignored other majority HoC votes; i.e. Kyoto implementation bill.</p>
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		<title>Comment on War Resisters Day of Action Today, June 2nd by L-girl</title>
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		<dc:creator>L-girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 20:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this great post! I hope Ms. Finley will hear from you many times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this great post! I hope Ms. Finley will hear from you many times.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dion’s Carbon Tax by un declaration on the right of indigenous peoples</title>
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		<dc:creator>un declaration on the right of indigenous peoples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 06:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has previously spoken out against a carbon tax and made assurances that he would not impose a carhttp://jimelve.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/dion%e2%80%99s-carbon-tax/Native Canadians Win Mini-Victory over Big Loggers OneWorld.net via Yahoo! News NEW YORK, May 16 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has previously spoken out against a carbon tax and made assurances that he would not impose a carhttp://jimelve.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/dion%e2%80%99s-carbon-tax/Native Canadians Win Mini-Victory over Big Loggers OneWorld.net via Yahoo! News NEW YORK, May 16 [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dion’s Carbon Tax by Steve V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One thing you may not be considering is that part the GPC’s popularity is among people who don’t usually vote. &quot;

Good point.  Jim, I put up a post, related to this subject, just to flesh out my thoughts.  If you&#039;re interested:

http://farnwide.blogspot.com/2008/05/appealing-to-greens.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One thing you may not be considering is that part the GPC’s popularity is among people who don’t usually vote. &#8221;</p>
<p>Good point.  Jim, I put up a post, related to this subject, just to flesh out my thoughts.  If you&#8217;re interested:</p>
<p><a href="http://farnwide.blogspot.com/2008/05/appealing-to-greens.html" rel="nofollow">http://farnwide.blogspot.com/2008/05/appealing-to-greens.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Dion’s Carbon Tax by Jim Elve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Elve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think we Greens need to worry about the LPC too much. Whatever numbers you draw away from us, we&#039;ll draw that many from the NDP. ;-)

I agree that this latest move by Dion gets back to playing his strong suit and could win a few pragmatic, small-g greens. One thing you may not be considering is that part the GPC&#039;s popularity is among people who don&#039;t usually vote. Some voters who would like to vote for &quot;none of the above&quot; are drawn to the GPC as a protest party. They&#039;ll be a tough bunch to win to an old, established party like the Lib&#039;s. 

Strategic voters trying to prevent a Con win could be a factor. In some tight races, this might be effective. I&#039;m not sure how many ridings are so close that a 5% Green-to-Liberal move will make the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think we Greens need to worry about the LPC too much. Whatever numbers you draw away from us, we&#8217;ll draw that many from the NDP. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I agree that this latest move by Dion gets back to playing his strong suit and could win a few pragmatic, small-g greens. One thing you may not be considering is that part the GPC&#8217;s popularity is among people who don&#8217;t usually vote. Some voters who would like to vote for &#8220;none of the above&#8221; are drawn to the GPC as a protest party. They&#8217;ll be a tough bunch to win to an old, established party like the Lib&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Strategic voters trying to prevent a Con win could be a factor. In some tight races, this might be effective. I&#8217;m not sure how many ridings are so close that a 5% Green-to-Liberal move will make the difference.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dion’s Carbon Tax by Steve V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 19:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The idea that GPC pre-election poll support is soft and will slip away on election day was challenged in the most recent Ontario election. We got almost exactly the same percentage at the ballot box as we were getting in the opinion polls.&quot;

I&#039;ve cited that myself, when people claim the Green polling numbers aren&#039;t real, Ontario proved that the vote will manifest at the polls.  What I meant by soft, is that there is a segment of that vote that the Liberals could appeal too, if they look progressive on the environment.  There could be a situation where we fight for the same constituent, and what I meant by &quot;arrogance&quot;, I don&#039;t just assume we could win them, just that we are part of that conversation, in a more substantive way than prior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The idea that GPC pre-election poll support is soft and will slip away on election day was challenged in the most recent Ontario election. We got almost exactly the same percentage at the ballot box as we were getting in the opinion polls.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve cited that myself, when people claim the Green polling numbers aren&#8217;t real, Ontario proved that the vote will manifest at the polls.  What I meant by soft, is that there is a segment of that vote that the Liberals could appeal too, if they look progressive on the environment.  There could be a situation where we fight for the same constituent, and what I meant by &#8220;arrogance&#8221;, I don&#8217;t just assume we could win them, just that we are part of that conversation, in a more substantive way than prior.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dion’s Carbon Tax by Jim Elve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Elve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 18:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for commenting, Steve.

Arrogant? I would never think such a thing. In fact, in convincing people to vote Green, one argument I use is that when the old parties see our support level, they&#039;ll adopt Green policies ion an attempt to win those votes. This is particularly true in the era of a relatively strong BQ and a good possibility that we&#039;ll have minority governments well into the future. 

The idea that GPC pre-election poll support is soft and will slip away on election day was challenged in the most recent Ontario election. We got almost exactly the same percentage at the ballot box as we were getting in the opinion polls.

Elizabeth has stated the the best outcome we can hope for is a Liberal minority with a smattering of Greens to keep them honest. I agree. I think there may be some strategic votes moving from the GPC to the LPC in a few tight races. I also know that the GPC is attracting not only a lot of popular support but also a lot of high caliber candidates. 

In the next election, I&#039;d like to see the Greens identify the handful of ridings where we have a chance of winning and go all out in those ridings. With the Red-Green deal, Central Nova is one such riding. I think my own Haldimand-Norfolk is another. Diane Finley is unelectable and the NDP can&#039;t even find a candidate (Last time, they imported one from Hamilton). We&#039;ve got an extremely strong &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.franknightingale.ca&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GPC candidate&lt;/a&gt; here. So do you in Dr. Hoskins, I&#039;ll grant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for commenting, Steve.</p>
<p>Arrogant? I would never think such a thing. In fact, in convincing people to vote Green, one argument I use is that when the old parties see our support level, they&#8217;ll adopt Green policies ion an attempt to win those votes. This is particularly true in the era of a relatively strong BQ and a good possibility that we&#8217;ll have minority governments well into the future. </p>
<p>The idea that GPC pre-election poll support is soft and will slip away on election day was challenged in the most recent Ontario election. We got almost exactly the same percentage at the ballot box as we were getting in the opinion polls.</p>
<p>Elizabeth has stated the the best outcome we can hope for is a Liberal minority with a smattering of Greens to keep them honest. I agree. I think there may be some strategic votes moving from the GPC to the LPC in a few tight races. I also know that the GPC is attracting not only a lot of popular support but also a lot of high caliber candidates. </p>
<p>In the next election, I&#8217;d like to see the Greens identify the handful of ridings where we have a chance of winning and go all out in those ridings. With the Red-Green deal, Central Nova is one such riding. I think my own Haldimand-Norfolk is another. Diane Finley is unelectable and the NDP can&#8217;t even find a candidate (Last time, they imported one from Hamilton). We&#8217;ve got an extremely strong <a href="http://www.franknightingale.ca" rel="nofollow">GPC candidate</a> here. So do you in Dr. Hoskins, I&#8217;ll grant.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dion’s Carbon Tax by Steve V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to clarify, I didn&#039;t mean to come across as the arrogant Liberal, that just assumes Dion can &quot;siphon&quot; off Green support.  I think you would agree, that when you see 8-10% support nationally for the Greens, this figure is greater than the hardcore supporter.  What I mean by that, I suspect a good percentage of current support isn&#039;t necessarily aware of the extensive list of policies you posted here, one of their primary considerations is entirely related to the environment.  The general public, rightly or wrongly, sees the Green Party and the environment in tandem, that is the signature identification, and that is why I think the Liberals have the potential to appeal to those soft supporters.  I don&#039;t think anyone would dispute the fact that the current surge in Green support is related to the surge in public consciousness on the environment.  If Dion is able to effectively appeal on the environment, then the challenge for the Greens will be to articulate the rest of their platform.  Now withstanding any appeal from the totality, if I&#039;m a Liberal, and I&#039;m looking to expand my base, I start with gazing at Green supporters.  Yes, they are fundamental different, but when you eliminate the gulf on the signature issue, you do have some potential.

Everyone, and every party, has to target their appeal, and all I&#039;m saying is the Liberals should target people who currently say they will vote Green.  What becomes of that is another matter, but faced with the prospects of Harper, May&#039;s own comments on vote splitting, I think you could present a powerful argument, particularly if you are supported a main tenet for the Greens.  It&#039;s a strategy, and one I think you could see as necessary, if the Liberals are to form the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to clarify, I didn&#8217;t mean to come across as the arrogant Liberal, that just assumes Dion can &#8220;siphon&#8221; off Green support.  I think you would agree, that when you see 8-10% support nationally for the Greens, this figure is greater than the hardcore supporter.  What I mean by that, I suspect a good percentage of current support isn&#8217;t necessarily aware of the extensive list of policies you posted here, one of their primary considerations is entirely related to the environment.  The general public, rightly or wrongly, sees the Green Party and the environment in tandem, that is the signature identification, and that is why I think the Liberals have the potential to appeal to those soft supporters.  I don&#8217;t think anyone would dispute the fact that the current surge in Green support is related to the surge in public consciousness on the environment.  If Dion is able to effectively appeal on the environment, then the challenge for the Greens will be to articulate the rest of their platform.  Now withstanding any appeal from the totality, if I&#8217;m a Liberal, and I&#8217;m looking to expand my base, I start with gazing at Green supporters.  Yes, they are fundamental different, but when you eliminate the gulf on the signature issue, you do have some potential.</p>
<p>Everyone, and every party, has to target their appeal, and all I&#8217;m saying is the Liberals should target people who currently say they will vote Green.  What becomes of that is another matter, but faced with the prospects of Harper, May&#8217;s own comments on vote splitting, I think you could present a powerful argument, particularly if you are supported a main tenet for the Greens.  It&#8217;s a strategy, and one I think you could see as necessary, if the Liberals are to form the government.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Food Crisis Blame Game: Plenty to Go Around by Ken Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 15:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim:-
        It is good to see someone appearing to perform the function of government action/inaction watchdog.

Why is there a stoney silence on the abuse of taxpayers?  

Does anyone approve, (outside of the CCRA), of taxing people out of their homes and/or life savings?

I wont hold my breath waiting for an answer.

Ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim:-<br />
        It is good to see someone appearing to perform the function of government action/inaction watchdog.</p>
<p>Why is there a stoney silence on the abuse of taxpayers?  </p>
<p>Does anyone approve, (outside of the CCRA), of taxing people out of their homes and/or life savings?</p>
<p>I wont hold my breath waiting for an answer.</p>
<p>Ken</p>
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